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April 03, 2007 02:48 PM UTC

Tuesday Open Thread

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  • by: Colorado Pols

Exhilarating, isn’t it?

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  1. OK. 1979, it isn’t anymore. But this song by The Specials ought to be Mayor Giuliani’s present-day theme:

    “Stop your messin’ around
    Better think of your future
    Time you straightened right out
    Creatin’ problems in town”

    🙂

      1. I saw The Specials open for The Police at the Rainbow Music Hall at Evans and Monaco in Denver, around 1980. The venue is now a Walgreen’s but you can still see the marquee.

        1. Toward the end of the line, but I saw Black Flag in 86 (last tour, they broke up as soon as they finished) Circle Jerks and Slayer (both in 88, different shows). I think my sister saw REM on their Murmur tour there. Come to think of it I think she saw the Knack there too. Classic venue. I would love to have seen the Police and Specials there.

          1. I saw Black Flag at the Rainbow on that tour, as well. (Their roadies, Nig Heist, opening?) And I saw them a year or two earlier with the Minutemen opening. Also saw the Ramones, Thin Lizzy, X, Randy Newman, T-Bone Burnett, Warren Zevon, and U2 (3x) there.  Not a grand rock theater in the classic sense — more like a former suburban movie house. But the Rainbow had great sound, low prices. I’m under the impression that the venue was a victim of the demise of Barry Fey’s company Feyline.

            1. Which was, by all accounts, a much better show than the one I saw. Nig Heist was legendary that night and a friend of mine has a recording of their set (good quality, off the board I think). I saw them in 86 when the opening bands were Gone (Greg Ginn’s instrumental band, featuring a rhythm section that Rollins would later poach for his band) and some doofuses called Painted Willy.

              I think Black Flag played the Rainbow at least 3 times (84, 85, 86). I don’t what happened with Feyline, but when Doug Kauffman (NIPP) got started in the late 80s he was the one promoting those kinds of shows, not Fey. Someone told me Fey hated “alternative” and didn’t want to promote it, which probably wasn’t a wise business decision but I don’t know if that’s true or not.

              Yeah, the Rainbow was a great place for the up and coming bands, some of whom went on to conquer the world.

              1. Hmmm. I know I saw Gone open for Black Flag, as well. The best time I saw them, though, was with the Minutemen opening. But I’m no huge punk rock dude: a few friends who really know the genre take pride in announcing how they preferred pre-Henry Rollins Black Flag.

                Yeah. NIPP filled a major void in the promotion of alternative acts. I did see Doug Kauffman’s two earliest shows: John Cale and Sun Ra (an election night “End of the World Party” in 1988), both at the The Broadway, a former club at 10th and Broadway in Denver.

                1. but I wasn’t too familiar with his work then. I was still underage but I did check out that club a few times when a girl I knew was running the door and let me in without my ID. But it was just local shows. Ah, if only I’d been born in 65 or so.

                  People who go “ah, Rollins ruined Black Flag” are just trying to be hip. No one said that back then; the consensus was that Black Flag collectively were ruining themselves, and I’d say it was either Greg Ginn who ruined the band or maybe their legal hassles left them a different band. But there’s no finer record by anyone than Damaged, IMHO.

                  I wish I could have seen the Minutemen. I only got into punk and underground in 85 (I was 15) and D Boon died around Christmas that year. But they might have gone over my head then, it was a few years before I really began to appreciate them. Saw fIREHOSE a few times, they were always good, but I’d rather have seen the Minutemen.

        2. I worked medical at the stones concert at Folsum Field back in the late ’70s. Awesome concert. And people were dropping like flies – I was just lifting people up and carrying them in when they collapsed from heatstroke.

          1. “From Those Too Heat Stricken To Rock (We Salute You).”

            Stones at Folsom? Whoa! That’s *ancient* history! 😉

            Glad to hear you were able to help others as a medic — and boogie down while doing it.

  2. I liked this sensible and powerful proclamation. Admittedly, I haven’t spent a lot of time on this site, nonetheless, I’ll be checking it out to convince me I’m wrong or “right” 🙂

    “I don’t think poetry is a reclamation project, I think humanity is a reclamation project, and to the extent that poetry can help to reclaim us I’m all for it, and all for promoting it for a month to get us back in touch with language and the beauty of experience. It was William Carlos Williams, I believe, who said, “It is difficult to get the news from poems, but men die every day for lack of what is found there.”

    http://www.ohdave.net

    Please share your favorite sites.

    In addition, I’d ask your indulgence to consider the following. I’m enamored of the “friends” met here. It’s a great site to visit and learn, and exchange. Thanks for tolerating me:-)

  3. and have worked very hard to bring in crops, substenance, and afterwards…enjoy the sweet repose. What’s happening in this once great country needs to be examined.

    A gorgeous and poignant short piece by Michael Ventura from the Austin Chronicle on the state of rural America.
    These people are watching their towns die. Watching their way of life die. They are living the end of their dream, and they didn’t believe that could happen. Like their ancestors, they’ve worked hard and hard and hard. They’ve played by the rules, believed the right things, worshipped the proper God, lived as they deeply felt life should be lived, and they’re losing everything that matters to them. And there’s nothing they can do about it except to keep working hard, because that’s all they know. They’re losing a way of life because of forces beyond their ken. Giant agribusiness, globalization, politicians selling them out, a tidal wave of history sweeping them away. Republicans and right-wing demagogues play to them, so they vote for Republicans. But it doesn’t help. Liberals and Democrats rarely come to talk to them, and still more rarely talk with them – why, then, would they vote for liberals and Democrats? “Blue state” snobs make jokes about the stupid “red states.” These rural people are not stupid. They’re furious. Time has passed them by, and they don’t know why. They’ve done and been everything that they were taught to do and be, and it’s come to nothing. That’s what liberals don’t get. These people are furious, and they’ve got something to be furious about, however much their fury may be misdirected. They want somebody to blame – a useless but human need.

    So I walk into their Kansas diner, and in my differentness I become an instant symbol of what’s pulling them down. Their kids are leaving town, their towns are dying, their leaders are failing them, they’re helpless to stop it. They expected to live prosperously in these places for centuries – their courthouses were built to last centuries. They’re losing it all, and there’s no one to give a damn. They didn’t believe this could happen – could not conceive that their time would be so short and that their toil would be futile and that their dreams would die so hard.

    …….
    Human beings have to eat. Mother Earth needs to be sustained. Water needs to remain potable. We need the air to breath. How has corporate America worked to protect and preserve? Now is the time for REVOLUTION!

  4. Elections do have consequences! Unfortunately, the hubris and arrogance…and I might add stupidity and incompetence…of the current administration is leading to a whole lot of hurt for…what might be good people…caught up in “the turdblossom machine”.

    “The fact that a few Senators and Members of the House have expressed publicly their doubts about the credibility of the Attorney General and the Deputy Attorney General in their representations to Congress about the U.S. Attorneys’ termination does not in any way excuse your client from answering questions honestly and to the best of her ability. Of course, we expect (as we are sure you do) your client to tell the truth in any interview or testimony. The alleged concern that she may be prosecuted for perjury by the Department of Justice for fully truthful testimony is not only an unjustified basis for invoking the privilege and without reasonable foundation in this case but also so far as we know an unwarranted aspersion against her employer.”

    “And the times they are a changin”….Dylan

  5. While the right loves to bash France, our Amtrak train to San Francisco can only run 20mph between SLC and Reno.  The French just set a new record for non-mag lev trains, 357.2 mph! 

    http://apnews.myway….

    This is what so distresses me about America.  It’s not that we couldn’t have 160mph trains on the coasts, it’s that we don’t have the political will.  The technology is the easy part. 

    Someday when we have to have high speed rail, we will have to buy the technology from France.  American car manufacturers slept while the Japanese developed reliabe hybrid technologies, now Ford had to pay Honda, I think, several billion to license the same.  China is surging in developing alternative energy technologies, while we putz around and lay off 36 employees out in Golden.

    When will the American people insist on long term goals instead of next quarter’s profit?

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